This group is about developing stimulation systems, both hardware and software, for reactor excitation and control.

There are several areas

1. MW/RF stimulation in combination with appropriate pressure domains and reactor geometries, principally this is to
address Piantellis preferred embodiment for creating desirable Hydrogen species/states in the reactor as per his
recently awarded patent. (see Piantelli Patent below and my translation

2. High rate of change / variable duty cycle direct power application for heater control

3. Plasma, glow and discharge via directional HV (rather than via MW/RF)

4. High tension electrostatic field generation and control, for particle acceleration.

We need to ask all parties to abide by the MFMP code, that is to say that the contributions are for the common good
and not to be captured and patented by contributing parties or passed onto third parties preferentially for patenting.
We have been advised by a number of individuals that the MFMP should at least try to protect significant and
meaningful developments so that we are not prevented by parties that would patent our collective open work - and
then prevent us from using it! If the MFMP was to eventually seek a patent, it would enable us to cross licence - that is
to say, seek exchange of patent licences for related technology to provide a fully integrated solution. We have been
advised that if we have nothing, that licensing key technologies may be extremely costly or impossible.

That being said, already team members or affiliates have made significant developments of their own.

1. Stoyan Sarg - Sparker... we already have a sparking system based on a Tesla coil designed by Stoyan Sarg that has
yet to fully be tested.

2. me356 - We have access to designs of me356 power circuit, I hope to get full details in the week beginning 16/5/2016
- it is able to drive the full power range of GS 5.x series reactors. It is an IGBT / PWM with software controlled via rPi
/ Arduino, it can read the input from an optris/Voltcraft IR2200/TC to do ramp, soak PID and has manual software

3. Alan Goldwater's system, as of this communication - it is close to being ready. It has a variable duty cycle square
wave, up to 5 kHz. Full-power is around 800 watts, but it is a 2-channel device. By splitting the coil and driving at 4
ohms per channel, it could supply ~1200 watts at 50% duty cycle. dV/dt is about 10V/usec. It uses IRFS4227 power
mosfet (IGBT) output devices with 20 nsec rise time.

4. Donald Martin has some kind of HV discharge system as far as I am aware.

Other key skills that I am aware of in the group is that Osmo/Bob Higgins/Alan & others did the original spreadsheets
working out how to create a similar waveform to that in the Lugano photos. Mats Danielson has produced power
pulsing circuits in the past and is a very accomplished programmer. Mathieu Valat has experience with rPi and has
me356 code. Bob Horst and Higgins have both designed ICs and more.

I think between us, if possible, we can develop some very good solutions.

Thank you for your time in advance.
This message was sent to Alan Goldwater, Bob Higgins, Bob Horst, Donald Martin, Mathieu Valat, Mats Danielsson,
Osmo Laaksonen, Robert Greenyer, and Ryan Hunt.


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LT  Bob Greenyer • May 5, 2016
Why not separate the heating from the stimulation by using a separate antenna or hf coil connected to a RF transmitter
for the stimulation. (tunable ham radio transmitter ?) In that way it is also possible to determine which are the
important frequencies needed for stimulation.
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Bob Greenyer  LT • 5 days ago
We are building a dedicated team to work on stimulation electronics.
Mats002  Bob Greenyer • 5 days ago
Half joke half serious I have pointed out that the 110V in US vs 220 in Europe is why US don't score high XH, nor SSM.
Rossi use 3 phase in US. Wonder why..?

Bob Greenyer  georgehants • 5 days ago
First and foremost, me356 has shared most of what he has done to date, this is impressive since he is not a native
English speaker. He hosted and ran with me the Padua cell for an extended run that work has given the MFMP
confidence to run our cells for longer and push them harder (for instance, GS 5.2 & 5.3) - this has led to significant

I have put a lot of ideas out there and me356 is a fast cycler and has ran with several and read widely to add his own
interpretations / additions and modifications to his experiments. He is a very intelligent guy with a broad skill set.
Following the re-heat of the Padua cell, he made the very best use of MFMP equipment that he had on loan from us that
would have laid idle otherwise.

It is my understanding that he will share what he has done, When I have been with him in the past, there has been a
free exchange of ideas and I have reported to the best of my ability as much information as possible complete with high
quality visuals.

He is a private individual that wishes, for now, to remain unidentified and we must respect that - he is not a member of
the MFMP and so has no moral obligation to act in the spirit of the MFMP - that he has done so to date, and says he
intends to, is something I am happy about. As an individual it is a big challenge to run so many experiments alone and
run them Live.

At this time of limbo, I understand the frustration felt by many, but active, productive and open (to any degree)
researchers are few and far between, so we need to respect them and not drive them underground. He is very aware,
as we all are, of the significance of the body of research being undertaken.

About his equipment, he has

1. SI-14B GM tube,
2. a gamma spectacular like Mathieu in France
Coupled to a NaI detector and
3. some Bubbletech Neutron detectors similar to those that we used in GS5.3.

From a radiation monitoring point of view, he is well placed to observe emissions.

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Mike Henderson • 6 days ago
Calm down. The plasma reactor used mostly tungsten, which is known to have nasty fission products, and only a trace
of the more benign nickel.
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Ophelia Rump • 6 days ago
That will put a crimp in the garage LENR industry unless someone comes up with a safety methodology which can be
relied upon. The need for expensive radiation sensors would make the low cost energy prohibitively expensive. If it
must come down to trust then the name brands will win the day but the price and distribution may be considerably
dampened, then again most of the world would gladly take the risk to gain the benefits which will be so abundant.
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Rene  Ophelia Rump • 5 days ago
Bombard a tungsten target with electrons and you get tons of x-rays. It is quite easy to get radioactive effects. Bombard
D or T and you get tons of neutrons. All it means is that some side reactions are occuring. Rossi mentioned this many
times and worked to eliminate them. Me356 has to do the same.
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Sanjeev  Rene • 5 days ago
I guess by bombardment you mean very very high energies. Me is using few hundred watts as far as I know. Its still
possible to accelerate the e- to some good speeds, but given the tiny length of the reactor and H2 atmosphere in it, I
think its improbable.
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Rene  Sanjeev • 5 days ago
It is fairly esy to generate 200Kev in crystal lattices. Much of this LENR speculation is based on these energies
achievable in the lattice. Also Rossi mention these neutron side reactions here: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-... My
point is that he said he found those rections were not part of the main LENR effect and that he worked to eliminate
them. This is why I said earlier that discovering some neutrons are produced in one experiment is not a prioi a given
for LENR in general.
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US_Citizen71  Ophelia Rump • 6 days ago
A cheap gamma detector could be enough for safety (ie time to turn off the power and leave the vicinity), but a lead
shield or similar around the project would be needed to turn neutrons in to gamma rays. If I was going to experiment I
would insure that my experiment had some shielding around it be it concrete block and lead roofing rolls or something
more sophisticated. The hot reactors like the GlowSticks can give off UV as well as IR so watching them like a lab top
campfire is not likely the best thing anyway.
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Warthog  US_Citizen71 • 5 days ago
Lead is NOT a good material for shielding neutrons. Lead is good for shielding gamma (and of course beta and alpha).
To shield neutrons, you need a material with a LOW density and a high concentration of protons (i.e. water or
polyolefins). Hign-energy neutrons "hit" the protons and lose energy by collision (think billiard balls) until they are
thermalised. Once thermalized, you need a material to "capture" the neutrons (i.e. have a high neutron capture cross
section). Boron is one of the best at that.
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US_Citizen71  Warthog • 5 days ago
The idea of the lead shielding was not to protect from neutrons but to cause them to create gamma that could be
detected by a cheap gamma detector and thus let you know things are beginning to become unsafe.
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Warthog  US_Citizen71 • 5 days ago
A Geiger counter is about as cheap as it gets, and with BF3 fill gas, detects neutrons directly.
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Stephen  US_Citizen71 • 5 days ago
Interesting idea. Do you know if we would also get gamma from Boron?
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Warthog  Stephen • 5 days ago
No, you get charged particles formed inside the GM tube, which is a far more sensitive detection than gamma. 10B
absorbs a neutron, and fissions into 4He and 7Li, which generates a huge detection pulse in the GM tube.
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US_Citizen71  Stephen • 5 days ago
I would say from Agarius' reply below probably not.
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Agaricus  US_Citizen71 • 5 days ago
A large fish tank full of sodium borate solution will absorb neutrons (and also UV/gamma) more cheaply than lead and
would allow experiments to be observed in safely. (Actually, just plain water would probably be sufficient in this case.)
I think cheap concrete blocks would be fine to complete an enclosure. A GM detector with remote probe is obviously
essential for all CF experiments, even when neutron emission isn't expected.

Edit: Me356's latest reactor incarnation may share some physics with the GEC GeNiE 'hybrid' reactor, which is basically
a sub-critical fission reactor that is initiated and sustained by a Pd-D cold fusion neutron source. The LENR neutron
source was originally said to be driven by microwave radiation, but both the original research and the later product
used modulated current flow drivers (from what little information remains online):

2nd Edit: Warthog has already suggested borate/water shielding. Too many comments to parse thoroughly these days!
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Warthog  US_Citizen71 • 6 days ago
Actually, a Geiger-Mueller tube with boron trifluoride-doped fill gas and a mylar window will detect all types of
nuclear emissions, including neutrons. GM tubes and electronics are relatively inexpensive.
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Ophelia Rump  US_Citizen71 • 6 days ago
That makes your cell phone considerably more difficult to carry?

Really you just need to validate the safety of a device which you are purchasing.

Cheap knockoffs could be deadly, while well made units are perfectly fine.


Rene  • 3 days ago
Wasn't talking about exploding. The cadmium will kill you with virulent cancer. The lithium will kill a person if they
swallow it. The point is that things that are intrinsically unsafe can be made into safe. It doesn't matter how something
will kill you or cause you great harm. What matters is how can those attributes be isolated or controlled to make a safe
product. That process is called engineering.

Mats002  Ecco • 4 days ago
Yes that is the Pyrometer he use for the Power control as I understand it.

Bob Greenyer  Mats002 • 3 days ago
It is the Voltcraft IR 2200 which has two lasers that should converge for accurate temperature measurement at the spot
of convergence.

Piantelli Patent
Posted on April 18, 2016 by Frank Acland
Thanks to the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project for bringing attention to a patent published for an invention of
Francesco Piantelli titled “Method and apparatus for generating energy by nuclear reactions of hydrogen adsorbed by
orbital capture on a nanocrystalline structure of a metal”

Link is here:

At the bottom of the page is a note that states: Jan 6, 2016 INTG Announcement of intention to grant, Effective date:

Here are the main claims:

1. A method for generating energy by nuclear reactions between hydrogen (31 ) and a transition metal, said method
comprising the steps of:
– prearranging (1 10) a primary material (19) that comprises said transition metal;

bringing and keeping said hydrogen (31 ) into/in contact with said primary material (19);
heating (130) said primary material (19) up to an initial temperature (Ti) higher than a predetermined critical

producing an impulse (140) in said primary material (19), in order to cause a generation of H” ions (35) starting from
said hydrogen (31 ), and to cause capture reactions (150, 151 ) of said H” ions (35) by said primary material (19) thus
causing a generation of a thermal energy (q);

– removing (160) a thermal power (Q) deriving from said generated thermal energy (q), while maintaining the
temperature of said primary material (19) above said critical temperature, characterised in that a step (200) is provided
of increasing said H” ions (35) that are available for said capture reactions (150, 151 ), such that the concentration of said
H- ions (35) changes from a first concentration value to a second concentration value in said hydrogen (31 ) which is in
contact with said primary material (19), and such that the rate of said capture reactions (150,151 ) increases and,
accordingly, said generation of thermal energy (q) increases up to an increased thermal energy.

Later on in the patent application it refers to an “energy generator wherein said ionization means comprises a means for
supplying an energy vector to said hydrogen”. These are some means listed.

– a ionizing radiation selected from the group comprised of: a radiofrequency, in particular microwaves; a light
radiation; a uV waves; a X – radiation; an a – radiation; a β – radiation; a y – radiation; a combination of the above
– a beam of particles selected from the group comprised of: protons; hyperons; mesons; leptons; metal ions; a
combination of the above particles;

The patent was originally filed on July 13, 2012, and has just now been made public apparently.

Waveform generator that can output up to 350MHz: